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Poster: imissJG Date: Jul 31, 2010 9:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Its the Fatman`s B-Day!!!

Today would have been Jerry`s 68 b-day.If been able to conquer his addiction to heroin,who knows the endless possibilities.I know most of you don`t care for the last few years(last 20!),but you have to agree that from 88-91,when Jerry was actually not using,he and the band made some beautiful music.Some of their best!So,please take a moment and think of the great times we all had when Jerry was the "leader of the band!".....I can`t believe "he`s gone,"and he`s never coming back.I sure do miss that "rider.".....Happy Birthday Jerry Garcia,we LoVe and miss you so very,very much!

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Poster: thebone Date: Aug 1, 2010 8:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Its the Fatman`s B-Day!!!

Happy Birthday Jerry!! You will always be my favorite guitarist and greatest hero. As I type this, I am listening to a blistering "Positively 4th St." from the Keystone (Palo Alto) on 12-21-79. Just one small snippet in a career of virtuoso performances.

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Poster: Street Pig ! Date: Aug 1, 2010 11:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Its the Fatman`s B-Day!!!

GARCIA!
The Ice Cream Years!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 31, 2010 10:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re:Jerry Week

August 9 full moon. This is the day Jerry Garcia died. He was born on the first of August and passed away on the ninth, so it's nice to think of that span as Jerry week. It certainly seems that he well deserves a 9 day week. So it's winding to a close. I lit him a candle, listened to him singing Palm Sunday, and looked at his paintings in a big Jerry book.

August 2, the birthday of my sister Kimberly, was the anniversary of William Burroughs' passing.
While in my old house in Michigan I found my seventy year old bottle of Chartreuse squirreled away. I
bought it in the eighties with him in mind. We promised each other we'd share a drink one day, but we never got around to it. I reread his Port of Saints and looked at a catalogue of his gun shot paintings. I traced my son and daughter's names written in his hand on an old Christmas card.
Then I cracked open the Chartreuse and poured us each a shot. The green sugary liquid put me in mind of nineteenth century absinthe, so while I had my ritual drink with William, I kept in mind the likes of Paul Verlaine, Baudelaire and Arthur Rimbaud.

August 3, on the birthday of Beverly Lee, a member of the wondrous Shirelles, Arthur Lee passed away. I met him a long time ago. He was just a little older than me. He was soft spoken with a vague criminal air. Forever Changes left its mark. I was in Michigan when he died and I walked down to the end of my dead end street and sat on a bench beneath a weeping willow. It was at least one hundred degrees but I still had my trusty black coffee, steaming fresh from Seven Eleven. I played back Amoreagain and Orange Skies in my mind. These songs of Love are so deeply rooted I can hear them as clear as if they were wafting from a turntable.

My son's birthday rolled around. August 6 was the anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. Over one hundred thousand people were massacred in that drop. Too many candles for one to light. I was back at my post on the bench looking out at Lake St. Clair. A huge Monarch brushed my cheek. I figured the butterfly, symbol of immortality, served to evoke them.

A few weeks ago I was in London. I visited a small bar painted green and lit with a green light. William used to frequent this joint some years ago. You can only enter through private subscription. I wasn't drinking. I was just visiting. It was three in the afternoon. There were a few old-school characters nursing their whiskies. Suddenly, in the center of the friendly yet oppressive silence, one of them cried out "Syd Barrett is dead." This took me off guard. But the fellows spontaneously raised their glasses, issued a " here! here! Syd!" and then retreated into their private worlds. For that one moment they were of one mind. And I was with them, saluting someone I never knew. Someone who made music. Someone who loved Arthur Lee.

Today is my friend Betsy Lerner's birthday. It's the day the United States dropped an Atomic Bomb on Nagaski. It's the day Hermann Hesse died. The day Jerry died. I have returned to the city. Children are racing up and down my street. We humans keep in mind. That's what we do. Tonight is a full moon. Guess when it sets, I will get me a cup of black coffee, sit on the stoop, and contemplate the bombing of Qana, the miracle of love and Dark Star.

Patti Smith
http://legends.typepad.com/living_with_legends_the_h/2006/08/email_from_patt.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpLqt3FXpiQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFiIJ4vW2IU



WTF????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXjHwAnHepM

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 1, 2010 7:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Re:Jerry Week

Patti , Horses sucks . But you made your career on it . Extremely clever post , Patti . I agree w/ you Patti , on that last one . WTF indeed .
Though , I almost pine for the simpler days of all the hand wringing ( sorry ) about the blue dress .
Hey , I just had an anniversary ! It's personal .

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Aug 1, 2010 1:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Re:Jerry Week

Horses sucks?You have got to be kidding,an album with the likes of Birdland,Free Money,Break It Up,Land and others is nothing short of one of the finest albums ever made.I would match her first 4 albums against anyone,Patti Smith is unique and provided us with some top notch music.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 1, 2010 9:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Re:Jerry Week

This is too easy . Same genre . Influences she copied from .

Velvet Underground

1) The Velvet Underground & Nico
2) White light / White Heat
3) The Velvet Underground ( VU )
4) Loaded

So many better artists out of that 70's NYC scene . Talking Heads , Ramones , Television , Richard Hell & the Voidoids . I'll even take Suicide or the Dolls over her guttural cat hacking noises . Got any melody , Patti ( ever ) ?

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Aug 1, 2010 9:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Re:Jerry Week

Every band you mentioned on that list was influenced by the Velvet Underground and what does that have to do with anything anyway.I've seen Lou about 100 times and all those other bands outside of the Dolls and Suicide in the mid 70's while you were in kindergarten,so stick to what you know,twirling around at Furthur shows.I did not realize that the Ramones,Suicide and the Dolls were prime examples of melody.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 2, 2010 9:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Re:Good Clerk

What to do ? Where you the drunk dwarf in Bridgeport ? Let's have some fun . Before we get to the meat , do you give good clerk ?

Give me an issue , I'll give you a tissue .
Wipe my ass with it .
Hey , we are just here , all hanging out .
You bend over , we'll put the head in .
If you don't like it , we can talk about it .
Face North Jack .

Three word answer to the puzzle , master .
It shouldn't be too hard .
It wasn't before .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 1, 2010 6:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: warning! military history rant...

Hey BD: this is nothing against you nor Jerry, and I love aspects of the text you've posted, but the biz about HereRoschE-Ma bugs me a bit (I think I mention it every time, eh?)...is it the "fatman" ref that brings it out today (ie, name on one of the two bombs)? I doubt it...my only point is not to belabor the justification of the drops, and I understand some folks can stand on either side of that line, but to say it is so myopic to pick that as your pet peeve with violence and death of WWII...we killed many more with firebombs, and the Rape of Nanking was a larger "sin" if you want a date to regret.

I know it's not of your choosing, but I've just always been bugged by the author making that one ref a part of that piece of writing...

Pet Rant complete.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 1, 2010 12:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: warning! military history rant...

Look up the estimated causalities report if you feel pangs of generational guilt about dropping the atoms in '45 . Millions ( both sides combined ) .
Where are the bunched pants about the fire bombing of Dresden or Tokyo ?
The Japanese , as a nation , have never apologized to anyone regarding their barbaric intent from Manchuria in '31 to the end of WW2 . Go ask Chinese , Korean , Philippinos , and many Western peoples about their fun Japanese experiences then . Japanese ' high school ' text books begin WW2 w/ Hiro & Naga . Boy , that's context . Rape of Nanking indeed ( Iris Chang rocks ).

edit - Ms Chang passed at a young age . She was a gifted writer , and I miss her voice .

This post was modified by micah6vs8 on 2010-08-01 19:32:08

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 1, 2010 8:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: warning! military history rant...

thx for understanding; I know it is a cheap shot to begrudge the author the selection of that Aug date to go with a(n) homage to Jerry...

And even on the "necessity" of dropping the bombs debate (of which I am "for" in a strategic sense, but against as a "war crime" for the targeting of so large a civilian population), most fail to recognize that the "stop the russkies!" was a much more complex rationale than generally accepted (just ask the Chinese if they'd rather we stopped them...or the Koreans...though I can see that even that issue is far from straightforward; the former seemed to have run into a bit more than they imagined with Mao, and a choice between Mao or Stalin is simply too difficult to contemplate). But certainly the Japanese benefited to a far greater extent via our rebuilding efforts with them than anyone would suggest they would have under a more heavily associated russkie influence...

Sorry, BD, for the hijack; my bad, as usual!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 1, 2010 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: warning! military history rant...

That wasn't BD . It was PS . Come on WT , details . ;)

Speaking of details , if the Soviets had landed in northern Japan , which they were planning to do by the end of August '45 , we would have had a north and south Japan . The north of course in the Soviets care ( loving care ) . Say g'bye to S. Korea .
Hey , look at how the communist north just honored their World Cup team .

http://indyposted.com/35779/north-koreas-world-cup-team-faces-government-wrath-after-world-cup-defeat/

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/football/top-stories/Failed-North-Korean-World-Cup-coach-fears-for-life/articleshow/6242571.cms

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 1, 2010 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: warning! military history rant...

But Patti didn't post it, so I always blame the poster...and then the poster gets the apology too!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 1, 2010 1:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: warning! military history rant...

No worries - I just wanted some to learn the high priestess of punk had a deep love of Jerry. Then again, she's toured with Dylan and both she and Hunter worked together in the "One Fast Move" Kerouac documentary.

I spent a long day on fungal enhancement wandering the streets of Dresden and wondering.... Got dark.

ANYWAY, my favorite quote on Jerry:

"There's no way to measure his greatness or magnitude as a person or as a player. I don't think eulogizing will do him justice. He was that great - much more than a superb musician with an uncanny ear and dexterity. He is the very spirit personified of whatever is muddy river country at its core and screams up into the spheres. He really had no equal. To me he wasn't only a musician and friend, he was more like a big brother who taught and showed me more than he'll ever know. There are a lot of spaces and advances between the Carter Family, Buddy Holly and, say, Ornette Coleman, a lot of universes, but he filled them all without being a member of any school. His playing was moody, awesome, sophisticated, hypnotic and subtle. There's no way to convey the loss. It just digs down really deep." - Bob Dylan on Garcia.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 1, 2010 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: warning! military history rant...

"...wandering the streets of Dresden and wondering.... Got dark."

Not one to make light (get it? preemptive joke) of such an event, but assume your comment is tongue in cheek with respect to if you'd visited in 45...good one.

Did just find out fatalities are down in recent estimates to well under the original 250k. Perhaps only 35k...

Still nasty, nasty biznuss.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 1, 2010 2:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: / there is no better quote

On RZ , what more can be said ?

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Aug 1, 2010 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: warning! military history rant...

Hey W.T., the rant that you find objectionable belongs to Patti Smith and not B.D.. I see it as typical Patti stream of consciousness - starting and ending with her thoughts about Jerry's passing. It wouldn't be a Patti Smith commemoration/rant without her getting political. Patrick Leahy, Thurston Moore and countless others who one typically would not expect to be so touched by Jerry's life, and passing, reflected only about his music and personality and kept their comments to that. Mass murder and bombings - large scale or small - are never acceptable acts in my book - for any reason. I, myself, would never in a million years consciously tie-in Jerry's life - and untimely death with those atrocities. I can see the Burroughs, Barrett and Arthur Lee reflections on their deaths having impact on her - the reflections on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to me, only point to her sadness with untimely deaths - the famous and influential friends as much as the unknown and innocent victims of war . . . that's how Patti's brain seems to work, and that's OK with me.

Myself, I intend to celebrate Jerry's life and work by listening to a few of my favorite joyful tunes and thank the powers that be for being able to share those many years with the man who to this day, continues to make me smile, smile, smile - and try to not focus on the dark side of life on this planet.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 1, 2010 10:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: warning! military history rant...

Oh yep--I knew that...BD has posted it before (this is what you get by being a really old fart...).

I always apologize to BD though, because I know he posts it with some appreciation of her contribution, I like some of the rest of it...it's more for the cont'ing endorsement of the "myth" component of the dropping of the two bombs that I object to, in a small way.

But thanks for thinking of me--I am often in need of dramatic corrections and explanations!

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Aug 1, 2010 10:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: warning! military history rant...

W.T. - that's cool. I will always support anyone who wants to object to any bombings whatsoever . . . and to not seem as if I'm trying to make light of such a serious issue, i'll extend that to bird droppings as well.

Though I gather that I'm in your neighborhood of years spent on the planet W.T., I hear people are lining up and paying good money to see a couple of 'old farts' that exceed us in years . . . I've heard said - and keep reminding myself - "you're only as old as you want to be" and "you're only as pretty as you feel". be well

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 1, 2010 11:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: warning! military history rant...

Thanks for the kind words, and good advice, DP; my only trouble is my failing frame (largely structural issues with the back/knee/etc) do indeed mean that my body, independent of juvenile spirit, has forsaken me...but hey, like the point about whether Phil or Crosby contributed to the demise of their livers, I have to accept that I brought much of it on via my love of bball, and wouldn't stop when the docs told me to...then HAD to, and found I had to give up a great deal more as well. I don't know I could have done it any other way, but it's been a big bill to pay the past decade or so. Add in a few other insults and injuries, and it really has been a case of piling on--not that I like being out in front on this particular series of accomplishments.

As I have said so often before, however, it beats the heck out of the alternative (cashing it all in rather than struggling on with some health issues), eh? And it's not necessarily what you do in this world, as what you endure (and how you do that) that can be the measure of a man (or woman).

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Sep 28, 2010 12:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: warning! military history rant...

"Though I gather that I'm in your neighborhood of years spent on the planet W.T." . . . and now I find myself in your neighborhood geographically - I think. My father just got out of surgery, and even though I've been unable to fly (let alone walk much) in the last year, love and duty have forced the issue and I find myself in Oro Valley just north of Tucson (which I gather is where you and Mr. Jameson are dealing with poor health and suffering). If indeed you are in Tucson and would like a visit from a sympathetic Deadhead (and Cream fan) and fellow convalescent, I could use a break from my time in Saddlebrook - which is way too much like Portmerion and the Prisoner with it's golf carts and surreal vibe. I don't know how to communicate with folks here off forum, but if you'd like a visit or even a chat or off-forum e-mail exchange, let me know. I'll be in the area till monday night, 10/4.

Your comments from August 1 - "As I have said so often before, however, it beats the heck out of the alternative (cashing it all in rather than struggling on with some health issues), eh? And it's not necessarily what you do in this world, as what you endure (and how you do that) that can be the measure of a man (or woman)" - hit the spot perfectly as I was fighting depression over my own long term health issues. I thank you for that. Be well, take care, and perhaps, in Patrick McGoohan's words, "be seeing you". bill

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 31, 2010 10:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Re:Jerry Week

Happy birthday, Jerry. As I write this, it's already Aug 1 where I am, not too far (relatively speaking) from the Ganges, where Jerry's ashes were (rather oddly) sprinkled to join with the ocean of life in true Hindu style. Which, as we know, was Very Jerry (cough cough).

Yet, as I see from the post dateline, it's July 31 at the IA, and, presumably, where most forumites live. So in honor of the July 31-Aug 1 birthday nexus, I'll drop in a reminder of Jerry's 40th birthday show ... or rather, the night before his 40th birthday, a show that apparently ran past midnight, which lets it qualify.

Don't know if this is the best version, but the band is on, and so is Jerry. Such a long, long time to be gone ... but maybe his reincarnation is bopping around here in South Asia, with a little spirit of Jerry speaking in his or her head and thinking, "Hey, what the heck am I doing HERE?!? I seem to remember something about ashes ... and then I was here ... what the hey?!?"

http://www.archive.org/details/gd82-07-31.sbd.miller.31002.sbeok.flacf

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Poster: imissJG Date: Aug 1, 2010 4:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Re:Jerry Week

Yea...the timing in the archive is off by,like a whole day!It was a few minutes past midnight on the 1st when I posted the the thread....but who knows?Celebrate everyday like its his b-day!...why not.

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Poster: vapors Date: Aug 1, 2010 5:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Re:Jerry Week

IA is on west coast time.
Happy Birthday Jerry - we miss you!

http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-08-01.sbd.cotsman.12222.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd82-08-01.sbd.willy.10226.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd94-08-01.set2-sbd.georges.1026.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Jul 31, 2010 10:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Re:Jerry Week

Jerryyyyyyyyyyyyyy! We miss ya' man. Happy trail & easy trials on the road

...it is not all of life to live, nor yet all of death to die.
Edgar Cayce Reading 136-62

God Bless the Good Ole Grateful Dead, Inshallah!

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Aug 1, 2010 1:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Re:Jerry Week

Wow man! Nice post bluedevil! Enjoyed reading it.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 1, 2010 9:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Re:Jerry Week

What is there to say SkyDawg ,

http://www.archive.org/details/gd_nrps70-06-24.aud.pcrp5.23062.sbeok.flacf

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Aug 2, 2010 5:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Re:Jerry Week

Thanks micah! I know you like that show too!